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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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hello and welcome to the skeptic zone

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episode number 233 for the sixth of

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april 2013 but of a tiny head Richard

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Saunders here with you from Oslo in

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Norway and why am I tired this morning

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well here's a clue hi of a comment

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allowed the skeptics oh yes last night I

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went to the Oslo skeptics in the pub and

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what a fantastic time I had and just

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before then i gave a talk to a local

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skeptics group so coming up on this

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week's show a little chat with a merit

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Simonson with whom I wandered around

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oslo and we looked at a few things like

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the Zoological Museum and then I have a

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great chat to merit and Kristen who you

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would probably know their voices anyway

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from the Norwegian skeptic sad i run

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occasionally and after that i fly

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quickly back to australia where I have a

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chat with ian bryce the chief

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investigator from australian skeptics

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he's going to update us on the progress

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of his dog who had its sight restored

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quite remarkable and also he has an

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upcoming adventure I guess we could say

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with the creationists find out more

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about that soon and after that it's a

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week in science with dr. Paul Willis

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from the Royal Institution of Australia

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r-ia us or be a you this is proving to

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be a very popular segment indeed then

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look out it's the return of May night I

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know you've missed him he's been away

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for a couple of weeks may not in Sydney

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skeptics in the pub asking the big

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question the big question should you

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tell children about the Easter Bunny

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that's a big question find out what pub

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goers in Sydney think about that

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question and then right at the end of

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the show and I mean I mean right at the

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end of the show after the closing

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credits after the closing theme music

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stick around 4am pseudo-science song

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called tesseract sent to me by Neil

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llega a bit of a fun song right at the

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end of the show now my friends in

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canberra have been very busy of course

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lately they're preparing for the big

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Australian skeptics

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convention at the end of the year in

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November but before them may have some

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lectures coming up in fact there's one

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on Saturday the thirtieth of April a

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developing role for Australia in space

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debris characterization and management

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hmm ok for more information about that

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talk coming up very soon visit w WM bruh

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skeptics org a you and coming up a bit

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later on the fourth of May another

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lecture Doctor Who science win or

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science fail hmm well I enjoy the show

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anyway yes Canberra skeptics org dot a

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you for more information now look out

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dublin i'm coming to dublin in a couple

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of days after this broadcast anyway I'll

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be in in there on the tenth of April the

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tenth of April presenting my talk The

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Adventures of an Australian paranormal

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investigator at nine p.m. at the

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exchange in Dublin for more information

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google dublin skeptics or visit skeptic

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island calm yes the tenth of april at

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the exchange in dublin i look forward to

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seeing you there and don't forget to

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check out the website of the film

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festival in the czech republic i'm going

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to www AF ozz and over the last week or

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so flying about the place in those long

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flights from australia I've been

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reviewing some of the documentary the

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science documentaries from this festival

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wow that's been a lot of fun WWE fo z

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have a look and you'd probably want to

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click the in the english page like I do

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the moment I'm going to numb right up in

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this hotel room on you to run downstairs

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no no it's too far I'm going to take the

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the left yes I'll take the left down to

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the breakfast room I think there are

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some smoked salmon and eggs ready to go

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have a coffee while you enjoy the

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we are in the botanical gardens in Oslo

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here in Norway it's a beautifully crisp

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cool early spring day but the snow as

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I'm with marital and mud hello hello and

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we just had a wonderful little

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experience we went to the Zoological

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was a reproduction but a very famous

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fossil could you tell us all about it

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well it was the fossil Ida or a

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Darwinist Mesilla I was a cast into

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prominence a couple years ago when it

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same day and all those no reasons we

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thought it's really fun because it's now

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owned by aren't our natural history

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museum but the rest of the world is sort

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of not so happy about the way it was

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portrayed in the media and you know just

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this science party that that is not

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respectful and and maybe a bit overblown

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and everything so we so we went upstairs

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and we're looking at t-rex and there was

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other dinosaurs a Iguanodon model and it

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very famous fossil and sort of like a

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very primitive monkey isn't it yeah yeah

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ancestors before we or when the monkeys

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looks lovely I mean they've done a nice

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job but it's you blink and you miss it

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unfortunately yeah yeah I think they

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need to work on their exhibit anywhere

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folks if you come to Oslo I can

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recommend a little visit to the

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Zoological Museum which is in the

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botanical gardens it's I must admit it

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world feeling about it it's like a very

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old museum like the ones you sort of

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remember all you've read about and it's

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certainly like that yes I'm not being

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critical really it's it's it's a lovely

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number of big dinosaur casts they have

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the other things but it's it's the Sun

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leaves yet there's a little snowman over

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there but it's wonderful to be in

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meriden I'm having a really great time

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and I can't believe I waited 47 years to

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visit Oslo me neither shall we get some

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lunch let's get some whale cheese well

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cheese oh boy that's something to look

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forward to Wow skeptics in the pub in

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Norway martin kristen wow it's just

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fantastic but we had to step outside

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guess we're rowdy rowdy crowd yeah it's

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wonderful time in Norway and tonight I

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gave my talk which went on and on and on

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it was a long talk question and

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congratulations for that you did really

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excited about that yeah it was fun yeah

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really yeah so we got a lots of new

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and suddenly I've got bags of lollies

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about me candy norwegian candy what's

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this in my pocket I've got that's

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classic Norwegian that's a classic

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Norwegian a very sour candy that makes

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your face turn inside out I've had this

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before and yeah I quite like a Miss from

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here yep done dissolves yes and we're

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also very proud of the it's very typical

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Scandinavians to have salty liquorice I

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fruits as well i'm doing well tonight

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but no it's I've had such a warm welcome

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a lovely day today walking around the

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city you showing me all sorts of things

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on a map where we went we walked I

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couldn't believe it yeah all over the

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city I could hardly believe it myself

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yummy am sure yes folks come to us low

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it's just one you know is it's a

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long time Australian summer um no you

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too how can our listeners find out more

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about Norwegian skipper I guess the main

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place to go is skip cystal 10 long which

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is the web page of the Norwegian

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skeptics otherwise you can find our

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presence and our likeness on facebook

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and on twitter and the kind of thing I

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would just search for escapes asst or

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maybe skip to get up a pebble and you

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know kind us from there I'm getting

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touched there's a skeptics in the pub in

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active now as well I hope so how far is

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middle of the country so good I guess I

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haven't got a sense for the scale of the

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country if you can travel for eight

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it's a long country very long Annie no

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it's at yeah I'm skip to get a pop-up

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inlet skeptics in the pub and skip sis

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which is the Norwegian skeptics what

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else yeah I mean that's the sort of the

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portal so you do you can find out what I

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mean a lot of things about us by going

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to this one is that if you write

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something on the wall of the skeptics in

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the pub we can help you get in touch

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with the people that you want if you

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want to do like consumer activism or if

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you want to help in arranging activities

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or if you want to start writing stuff

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for the blog or books or anything just

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write something on the wall and we'll

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we'll put you up with the right people

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now if listeners listeners are wondering

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if they recognize your voices that you

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traditional drinks yes yeah with a

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viking helmet some yeah that's not

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haven't seen any year it's been very

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disappointing well you may see a couple

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of tomorrow when you're oh we're off to

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the viking museum I'm looking forward to

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that these are great ships yeah yeah

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that's odd that lets it's it's just such

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a treat to be here and I must really

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thank you to both of you for helping me

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anytime yeah so what have you any time

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yes I'm back next month I know I know

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you've been dying to get in our way for

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a long time one I really yet I really

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have and I'm so pleased to it last it's

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just fantastic there you are folks I'm

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not being paid by the Norwegian

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government but also is just a beautiful

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you

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the skeptic magazine the journal from

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Australian skeptics subscribe online to

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magazine visit w WC APA mau and click

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find their over 30 years of back issues

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from Australian skeptics well folks I'm

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still here in sydney australia i haven't

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left yet do i have actually but due to

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i'm still back in sydney australia i'm

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at the home of the chief investigator

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for australian skeptics ian Bryce hello

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Ian hello Richard good morning good

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morning and I am surrounded by all sorts

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of little dogs hello come in now you sit

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down you sit down because I wanted to

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come and visit you today because a few

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weeks ago now listeners may well

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remember you told the story of your

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little dog sapphire who's just in front

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of me now hello who was went blind for a

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while that's right she got cataracts in

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both eyes and the world went dark and

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she thought well this is a bloody long

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night isn't it since then science to the

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rescue she's had when I at which was too

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badly deteriorated and she's had a new

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way in at least she said lens in her eye

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anyway she's sitting on your lap now and

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she's looking at me isn't that fantastic

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she's got one of those funny buckets

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around her head to keep herself from

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scratching her I I guess while it's

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healing but when I kept turned up at the

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gate who drugged down looking at me was

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sapphire it's just so marvelous to think

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that if a little dog site can be can be

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rescued and for the rest of her life I

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guess she has a much better quality of

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life yes hello I know this is she knew

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Richard from long ago and she could

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still see so I guess he's quite shocked

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to see him again me with his head gone a

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bit grey and if we were lines like all

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of us last time she saw me I here with

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darker city

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she's a love she's what what what breed

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issue she's Australian silky terrier

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right right this dogs having a good time

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no you used you sit there and you go

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over there and you you come up here and

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there's dogs everywhere folks I'd swear

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oh it goes and you've got two on your

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lap now but it's just I I thought I

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would catch up because it's wonderful to

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think that even a little dog site can be

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restored people people get their sight

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restored now regularly through then

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thank you to science that's right I'm

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surprised that it's been much more

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complicated for the dog than four people

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I've heard stories of both both cases

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and she's on medications about about

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eight medications a day that susan has

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to give a mummy drops in her eye and

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some pills to make sure the eye doesn't

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get excess pressure and heals up

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properly and doesn't get infected she's

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just waited quite a regimen of treatment

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she's just hop sees at home hopped off

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your lap now and she's just looking

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around its marvelous I mean when she

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hears something her she turns her head

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and then sees what's going on so that's

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that's that's very exciting now in the

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also telling me that in a couple of

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weeks you're um you're going into the

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Lions Den I here that's right debating

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the creationist oh dear dear dear dear

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which I first did back in about nineteen

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eighty-five said wow so about 30 years

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ago so you mean boning up on your

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arguments that's right I'm going to get

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help to get stuck into them a bit for

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example did you know they used to be

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called in Queensland the creation

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Science Foundation the skeptics got

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stuck into them in the 1980s big time

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and they changed their name to Answers

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in Genesis that's right yeah and they

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seem to be seem to be a besotted with

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dinosaurs these people that's right well

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but whenever they entered into a debate

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on science the skeptic slaughtered them

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basically so they had to change their

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name and it's quite interesting to see

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that Australian vaccination network is

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now forced to change its name due to

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reaction of the skeptics so having some

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effect on its nicely it's nice isn't it

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bastards honest anyway now that Brower

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international listeners that's a very

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famous political quote in Australia many

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years ago there was a more or less two

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parties two or three parties of New

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he came along called the Democrats and

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their slogan was keeping the bastards

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honest though they'll come along to make

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sure all the other people behave you

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don't hear much about the Democrats no

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not anymore yes they've faded a bit

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since their heyday the Greens have taken

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over that central role to some extent

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but you also have activities with the

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secular party of course yes the secular

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pad is much newer and much smaller than

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any of those groups I've stood twice for

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the Senate safer for the secular party

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and that's the one that's most closely

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aligned to secularism and reason using

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scientific knowledge based on evidence

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and reasoning for the benefit of

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humanity rather rather than blind

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paradigms or dogma yeah you're just

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getting back to this this one you're

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going to this debating the creationist I

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i must admit they're still part of me is

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quite amazed that this is still going on

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and we're still having these debates

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because I'm ember from so long ago and

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you do too it's almost like something we

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used to do but it's not it's something

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that they're still going on these people

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are still making these claims well

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science has made such advances since

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1985 at least in the public knowledge of

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science and yet their creations are

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still there banging away Leslie Leslie

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it's the same people like Jonathan

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Sarfati and John McCoy and Ken Ham

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people like that travel around the world

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giving these talks so I'm hoping they'll

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be fairly easy to demolish because

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they're using the same old arguments

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which we've addressed many times before

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so if I'd bone up on that oh you know if

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this is being recorded I guess it will

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be I'm pretty sure it will be because

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they're pretty big on recording things

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yeah what I like is it's it's not

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against an audience of creationist often

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there's a lot of people there whose

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minds are not made up we hope so there

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is some route some room for swaying the

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opinion this is being organized by the

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Presbyterian Church in intent and

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attentive field it's a bit odd though I

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mean the Presbyterians I would have

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thought aren't the sort of people who

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would go in for creationism but there

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you go well remember that there was a

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schism amongst the Presbyterians a few

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decades ago where half of them went to

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join with the Uniting Church yes that's

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such as relatively enlightened and goes

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into human welfare and believes in

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evolution although they still hold the

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soup

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natural core paradigms there and the

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other i think the remaining

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Presbyterians were the more

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fundamentalists next day I see that's

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interesting because I remember that time

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because as it happens my dad was a

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Methodist minister and at that time the

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Methodist Church didn't became uniting

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church and I remember that the

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Presbyterians were joining him is a

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little boy I sort of remember this sort

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of thing going on but well from my point

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of view my dad certainly never had any

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problem with them accepting the fact

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that the earth was billions of years old

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and all the rest of it so it's it's an

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interesting it it's a mixed bag isn't it

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mmm yes indeed in fact i'm planning to

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offer the audience a bit of a choice

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that they can join with the creationists

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and decry science and evidence and young

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earth does away with most scientific

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principles would need overturning so

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they can throw away their cell phones

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and the aeroplane travel and take

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everyone back to the Stone Age or they

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can become an atheist like me or or they

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could consider having a more enlightened

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church for example the Uniting Church in

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balmain where I'm a member of funny

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enough isn't a guest atheist as it were

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okay they sure some of them have their

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little supernatural bits about

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resurrections and crucifixions and

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communion but most of the time they're

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spent for the benefit of human welfare

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talking about refugees and civil

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liberties and the unemployed and the

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homeless and things like that so that's

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a group where the greater emphasis on

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human welfare and they will acknowledge

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evolution and the validity of science so

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I could offer that middle road perhaps

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to the audience ah that would be

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interesting now I was just telling you

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just before we started recording I've

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been enjoying a series which is

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currently showing here in Australia

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called conspiracy road trip which is

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fascinating where they take a group of

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conspiracy theorists from the UK and

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there's quite a few episodes the ones

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I've seen they've taken them on a little

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bus tour around the United States so

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they got a busload of UFO believers and

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they go talk to scientists including

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Michael Sherman they spell oh yeah and

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there's one on 911 conspiracies which is

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quite interesting jim has been after

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Australia a few times yes he has here

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and here

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a book called the moral landscape if I

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have it right which is very interesting

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goes a long way towards providing a

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scientific basis for analysis of

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morality and the other one which brought

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this to my mind is they take a bus load

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of dyed-in-the-wool creationists and

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they take them around the United States

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including to the Grand Canyon and they

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have a look at the geology and there's a

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great scene and listeners may well care

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to Google this show it's worth watching

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conspiracy road trip where there's a

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huge arm bow in the river in the Grand

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Canyon is that the Colorado River oh I'm

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going to get in trouble for got that

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wrong um yes it is thank you and so the

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question say well this whole the Grand

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Canyon was made in six days or not six

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days with the flood you know very

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quickly and they say well what about

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this huge bow in the river where where

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does a big u-turn so well if you have

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fast running water it's not going to

540
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make a u-turn it it more or less travels

541
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in a straight line so it's full of

542
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interesting little bits like that yes

543
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indeed well that's one of the arguments

544
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they bring up they point out that point

545
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of the fact that mounts and Helen's as a

546
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recent examine example has been a canyon

547
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carved through the lava field and mounts

548
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and Helen's that was actually carved out

549
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in a couple of days yeah that is an

550
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example to say the Grand Canyon could

551
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also been carved out in 40 days of

552
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Noah's Flood 40 days so I need to point

553
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out to them that the ashfield admit

554
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mount st. helens was laid down in about

555
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24 hours so it was light and fluffy so

556
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of course I can be washed away in 24

557
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hours as the Grand Canyon has laid down

558
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in hundreds of millions of years so yeah

559
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I Canada millions of years to erode away

560
00:23:42,750 --> 00:23:39,630
as well another great scene in this

561
00:23:43,700 --> 00:23:42,760
conspiracy road trip where they show

562
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them

563
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a lot of skulls progressing an evolution

564
00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:50,909
of human you know and our ancestors and

565
00:23:55,340 --> 00:23:53,970
saying that if creationism was true what

566
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you would expect to find was human

567
00:23:59,899 --> 00:23:57,149
skulls all the way down the rock strata

568
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in the various different layers are you

569
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but in the same Valley you don't you see

570
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it's humans at the top and as you

571
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progressively go down then you get more

572
00:24:12,769 --> 00:24:10,610
more distant ancestors and it's quite in

573
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May goes one of our distant ancestors

574
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now on a motorbike I think and it's

575
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quite interesting to see the their faces

576
00:24:20,180 --> 00:24:18,059
and their reactions it's it's it's a

577
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it's like a voyage into psychology more

578
00:24:23,299 --> 00:24:21,720
than anything else so I'm sure you'll

579
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have the opportunity to to have a look

580
00:24:27,799 --> 00:24:25,860
at that yes indeed and you mentioned

581
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dinosaurs before that's one of the more

582
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interesting aspects because back in

583
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about nineteen eighty-five at a

584
00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:32,730
creationist conference they were selling

585
00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:35,730
casts of dinosaur footprints with human

586
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footprints in the mingled with them

587
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proof the dinosaurs and humans existed

588
00:24:45,260 --> 00:24:42,990
at the same place in the same time from

589
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alexi river there's some science going

590
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over our heads right now what's that one

591
00:24:53,539 --> 00:24:50,159
oh it's a little little commuter joke ah

592
00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:53,549
yes sir I've seen I've seen some of the

593
00:24:58,490 --> 00:24:56,970
so-called evidence and it's it's a huge

594
00:25:00,680 --> 00:24:58,500
stretch of the imagination to see these

595
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blobs as human footprints that really is

596
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yes i'm wishing i bought one one of

597
00:25:07,190 --> 00:25:05,130
those footprints now because i'd love to

598
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hold it up today and pointers past fraud

599
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by this by the creationist group will be

600
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prepared because what they'll do is

601
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they'll say they'll bring up some

602
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argument and they'll say this is science

603
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yes they won't yes that's right i'm

604
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wondering whether they'll the guy i

605
00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:21,659
magnin with john mckay is actually

606
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geologist so he's been a scientist of

607
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some sort so is he going to argue from

608
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the point of view of science or is it

609
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going to fall back on the old one that

610
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said the Bible's must be true because it

611
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says so in the Bible well I mean his his

612
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thing that he in climate many years ago

613
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when he in planar was debating

614
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creationists as soon as they would say

615
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something along the lines of well God

616
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could do it any which way he pleases or

617
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yeah God did it or words to that effect

618
00:25:53,450 --> 00:25:51,149
well you just say straight away well

619
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that's not science you've left the realm

620
00:25:58,700 --> 00:25:54,809
of science now this is a scientific

621
00:26:01,980 --> 00:25:58,710
argument yes that's a good approach

622
00:26:03,870 --> 00:26:01,990
we tried that anyway now this little dog

623
00:26:05,850 --> 00:26:03,880
has fallen almost asleep on oh hello

624
00:26:08,370 --> 00:26:05,860
you've broken yes hello nice to see you

625
00:26:10,919 --> 00:26:08,380
too and sapphire is still there looking

626
00:26:12,419 --> 00:26:10,929
around the world which is one laughter

627
00:26:14,789 --> 00:26:12,429
and she is in joint supplies right has

628
00:26:17,100 --> 00:26:14,799
doubled you know well not surprised you

629
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:17,110
must be more active I'll see I look I'll

630
00:26:20,970 --> 00:26:18,610
just do a quick interview with sapphire

631
00:26:25,110 --> 00:26:20,980
just come over here so sapphire what's

632
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:25,120
it like being able to see again she

633
00:26:28,289 --> 00:26:27,010
sniffing sniffs the microphone I think

634
00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:28,299
that sums it up because she could see

635
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:30,450
where the microphone was the sniffer

636
00:26:35,639 --> 00:26:33,970
it's just marvelous well you want more

637
00:26:38,310 --> 00:26:35,649
interesting thing about the Graysons oh

638
00:26:39,750 --> 00:26:38,320
yeah we wonder what what motivates them

639
00:26:41,909 --> 00:26:39,760
to do this sort of thing we found out

640
00:26:43,500 --> 00:26:41,919
because with Jonathan Sarfati and his

641
00:26:45,389 --> 00:26:43,510
colleagues were doing a talk in Sydney a

642
00:26:46,350 --> 00:26:45,399
few months ago that I went along to too

643
00:26:50,549 --> 00:26:46,360
careful because they didn't allow

644
00:26:52,710 --> 00:26:50,559
questions and he said the important

645
00:26:54,659 --> 00:26:52,720
thing here is not to allow even one

646
00:26:57,299 --> 00:26:54,669
little bit of the Bible to be questioned

647
00:26:59,100 --> 00:26:57,309
because if you do that it'll start it's

648
00:27:01,980 --> 00:26:59,110
the [\h__\h] in the armor it's a small inch

649
00:27:03,539 --> 00:27:01,990
of end of the wedge and so forth and if

650
00:27:05,039 --> 00:27:03,549
they question more and more of the Bible

651
00:27:06,450 --> 00:27:05,049
originally eventually we'll have to do

652
00:27:09,870 --> 00:27:06,460
away with Noah's Flood in the Garden of

653
00:27:11,430 --> 00:27:09,880
Eden oh and there goes original sin if

654
00:27:13,110 --> 00:27:11,440
people if we can't convince people that

655
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:13,120
they're born with sin then how can we

656
00:27:18,149 --> 00:27:16,570
offer them salvation so this is sort of

657
00:27:19,590 --> 00:27:18,159
reasoning later that sort of thing I can

658
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:19,600
handle and there's not too much science

659
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:21,490
to that it's not too much science to

660
00:27:26,490 --> 00:27:24,610
that at all what do you say now the ones

661
00:27:28,730 --> 00:27:26,500
sniffing the microphone or in I wish you

662
00:27:32,130 --> 00:27:28,740
all the best of luck with that i will be

663
00:27:33,389 --> 00:27:32,140
overseas while you're what we're doing

664
00:27:35,159 --> 00:27:33,399
that I hope it's recorded i'll be

665
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:35,169
certainly very interested to hear the

666
00:27:39,779 --> 00:27:37,210
recording or hear the reports and will

667
00:27:41,730 --> 00:27:39,789
we will report back to the skeptics own

668
00:27:43,110 --> 00:27:41,740
listeners and I hear you've got a big

669
00:27:45,450 --> 00:27:43,120
adventure ahead of you Richard with all

670
00:27:46,799 --> 00:27:45,460
sorts of overseas of thing yeah well

671
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:46,809
when this show goes out to where I

672
00:27:52,260 --> 00:27:49,450
should be in heavens above I think I'll

673
00:27:53,730 --> 00:27:52,270
be in Oslo when you're hearing this when

674
00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:53,740
when you listen is when you're hearing

675
00:28:02,240 --> 00:27:55,330
this I should be in Oslo but it's all

676
00:28:05,220 --> 00:28:02,250
because it's Wednesday I'm Munich Oslo

677
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:05,230
Dublin Manchester

678
00:28:08,730 --> 00:28:07,210
and then the Czech Republic and then

679
00:28:25,430 --> 00:28:08,740
back home for to sleep for a week

680
00:28:31,799 --> 00:28:29,430
greetings skeptics film business do you

681
00:28:34,409 --> 00:28:31,809
know what to do in August come to

682
00:28:37,740 --> 00:28:34,419
Stockholm Sweden and meet astronaut

683
00:28:42,539 --> 00:28:37,750
theorists legibility me activists hey

684
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Lee Stevens / guru upon struggling under

685
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cover health journalist an abyssea p and

686
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many more at the 15th european skeptics

687
00:28:56,039 --> 00:28:52,840
Congress friday the twenty-third to

688
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sunday the 25th of august in stockholm

689
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sweden what a 15th european skeptics

690
00:29:09,810 --> 00:29:03,669
caucus www dr. Euroskeptic scroll I'm

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00:29:25,049 --> 00:29:09,820
talking about www Euroskeptic scorn dot

692
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:25,059
or welcome to a week in science brought

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to you by our IRS this week three

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astronomical wonders expanding sea ice

695
00:29:43,730 --> 00:29:41,520
this has been a great week for space

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science with three big discoveries

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expanding our knowledge of the universe

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in Europe astronomers have observed a

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black hole snacking on a small star or

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giant planet stripping its outer layers

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the celestial lunchtime occurred in a

702
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galaxy 47 million light-years away they

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00:30:04,350 --> 00:30:02,440
are now focused on a similar feeding

704
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event of a gas cloud about to be

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consumed by a black hole at the center

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of our own Milky Way galaxy meanwhile

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astronomers in Australia and Hong Kong

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00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:13,720
have been watching the death throes of a

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giant star in the Large Magellanic Cloud

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they've made the highest resolution

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images yet of this phenomenon a particle

712
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physics experiment on the International

713
00:30:31,410 --> 00:30:28,600
Space Station has found evidence for

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what may be dark matter dark matter has

715
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never been observed but is thought to

716
00:30:37,850 --> 00:30:35,020
make up around twenty percent of the

717
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universe the Alpha Magnetic Spectrometer

718
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:40,600
detects cosmic particles released by

719
00:30:45,750 --> 00:30:43,450
stars and galaxies within and beyond the

720
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Milky Way by studying these particles

721
00:30:49,620 --> 00:30:47,470
scientists have detected antimatter

722
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positrons which are thought to originate

723
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:52,780
from Dark Matter researchers of caution

724
00:30:56,940 --> 00:30:54,610
that further analysis is required to

725
00:30:58,980 --> 00:30:56,950
confirm whether this is indeed evidence

726
00:31:01,140 --> 00:30:58,990
for dark matter but the results are

727
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:01,150
still an exciting development in our

728
00:31:08,670 --> 00:31:06,490
understanding of the universe gel

729
00:31:10,590 --> 00:31:08,680
microfibers that contain living cells

730
00:31:13,470 --> 00:31:10,600
and proteins can be used to reconstruct

731
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:13,480
functioning tissues kids with early

732
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:15,490
puberty experienced behavioral and

733
00:31:20,460 --> 00:31:18,010
social issues that actually date back to

734
00:31:23,220 --> 00:31:20,470
preschool years and then continue into

735
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:23,230
adolescence macular degeneration the

736
00:31:27,690 --> 00:31:25,090
leading cause of blindness in old age

737
00:31:29,580 --> 00:31:27,700
could be prevented by a simple I drop

738
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:29,590
that controlled cholesterol buildup and

739
00:31:34,830 --> 00:31:32,170
your breath print a unique chemical

740
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:34,840
profile of your breath could be used as

741
00:31:40,740 --> 00:31:37,890
a future health and diagnostic tool

742
00:31:43,710 --> 00:31:40,750
climate warming has led to an expansion

743
00:31:46,110 --> 00:31:43,720
of Antarctic sea ice a counterintuitive

744
00:31:48,690 --> 00:31:46,120
result published this week in Nature

745
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:48,700
Geoscience it appears to

746
00:31:53,670 --> 00:31:51,130
the underside of sea ice melts to create

747
00:31:55,830 --> 00:31:53,680
a cool layer of freshwater this

748
00:31:58,230 --> 00:31:55,840
insulates the ice from warmer ocean

749
00:32:01,230 --> 00:31:58,240
waters below and thus prevents further

750
00:32:03,030 --> 00:32:01,240
melting this negative feedback effect is

751
00:32:05,940 --> 00:32:03,040
expected to continue into the future

752
00:32:08,070 --> 00:32:05,950
it's important to note however that this

753
00:32:10,860 --> 00:32:08,080
melting pattern doesn't apply to land

754
00:32:15,540 --> 00:32:10,870
ice which has a greater impact on sea

755
00:32:17,910 --> 00:32:15,550
level rises and finally Japanese neuro

756
00:32:21,060 --> 00:32:17,920
scientists claim they can read your

757
00:32:23,070 --> 00:32:21,070
dreams when awake people were shown a

758
00:32:25,650 --> 00:32:23,080
series of images while scientists

759
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:25,660
monitored their brain activity the same

760
00:32:30,060 --> 00:32:27,610
patterns of activity were then also

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00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:30,070
observed while the people were asleep

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00:32:34,620 --> 00:32:32,290
when asked what they had dreamt about

763
00:32:37,070 --> 00:32:34,630
the subjects said they'd seen the same

764
00:32:39,270 --> 00:32:37,080
image that they were shown while awake

765
00:32:41,340 --> 00:32:39,280
recognizing these brain activity

766
00:32:43,650 --> 00:32:41,350
patterns and interpreting them is the

767
00:32:45,900 --> 00:32:43,660
first step to developing a scientific

768
00:32:50,010 --> 00:32:45,910
dream reader well that's that idea out

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the window when you have a moment why

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not have a look at the science blogs on

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the our oils website my latest regular

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blog covers the discovery preparation

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and interpretation of a 100 million year

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old bone other bloggers discuss florence

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Nightingale's vital statistics the

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future of bendable phones and the

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advisability or otherwise of

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resurrecting extinct species there's

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behalf of the are ales team let's chat

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the Canadian public has been poorly

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served by a government which displays

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00:34:03,170 --> 00:33:59,370
little respect for objectivity and

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science Canadians are taken advantage of

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through weak consumer protection

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regulations that allow the sale of

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products and services that don't work

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and our media is all too willing to

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report dubious claims without

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examination if it will attract readers

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and sell advertising individual freedom

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of choice is being jeopardized as the

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unscrupulous or misinformed attempt to

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influence our important decisions it's

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time for a change bad science watches a

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new activist organization that will

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challenge the media advertisers and

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politicians when they promote unsound

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signs that can threaten the well-being

810
00:34:44,450 --> 00:34:41,640
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811
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00:34:55,250 --> 00:34:52,409
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818
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826
00:35:47,460 --> 00:35:28,240
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827
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828
00:35:56,130 --> 00:35:54,780
look at the welcome to skeptics Oh may

829
00:35:58,680 --> 00:35:56,140
not I've been away for a few weeks I've

830
00:35:59,970 --> 00:35:58,690
been on assignment to solar flare that's

831
00:36:02,160 --> 00:35:59,980
all I can say but we here with dr.

832
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:02,170
rachey at skeptic to the Popeye dr. hu

833
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:03,850
how I am I made Adam well how are you

834
00:36:08,490 --> 00:36:06,490
you'll find you in the good seats down

835
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:08,500
the front you in the VIP seats for

836
00:36:12,240 --> 00:36:10,210
skeptics in the pub I was at the back in

837
00:36:13,530 --> 00:36:12,250
the kitchen and what was the guy talking

838
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:13,540
about I thought it was I think I heard

839
00:36:18,150 --> 00:36:16,210
something about soap note and Eli was

840
00:36:19,530 --> 00:36:18,160
anything about soap oh it was Shane

841
00:36:21,090 --> 00:36:19,540
green up and he's you should have heard

842
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:21,100
the girls next to me at the next table

843
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:22,210
they were having a really interesting

844
00:36:26,850 --> 00:36:23,890
conversation about a boy they're going

845
00:36:28,860 --> 00:36:26,860
out with oh they were Eskimo sisters if

846
00:36:30,570 --> 00:36:28,870
you know what I mean I don't even know

847
00:36:31,950 --> 00:36:30,580
what that means you don't know okay so

848
00:36:33,510 --> 00:36:31,960
that I even want to know what that mean

849
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:33,520
ok so I think there are people out there

850
00:36:36,390 --> 00:36:34,930
who know what that means I'm sure

851
00:36:38,100 --> 00:36:36,400
Richard Saunders he knows what it means

852
00:36:39,420 --> 00:36:38,110
but they were talking about that which

853
00:36:41,310 --> 00:36:39,430
was nowhere near as interesting as a

854
00:36:43,230 --> 00:36:41,320
talk i'm soaked the guy was giving well

855
00:36:45,780 --> 00:36:43,240
no he wasn't talking about so his name

856
00:36:46,980 --> 00:36:45,790
is Shane green up and he's he developed

857
00:36:48,720 --> 00:36:46,990
a piece of software called Essaouira

858
00:36:51,180 --> 00:36:48,730
butter and we've had him on the show but

859
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:51,190
I spoke to matt am yeah he was a term

860
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:52,690
last year and he's going to be talking

861
00:36:57,540 --> 00:36:55,810
at tam this year so we've heard him

862
00:36:59,820 --> 00:36:57,550
speak before here so and it was really

863
00:37:01,470 --> 00:36:59,830
interesting it was about his software a

864
00:37:03,510 --> 00:37:01,480
butter and how is developing it now to

865
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:03,520
be more like a voting up and down system

866
00:37:07,500 --> 00:37:05,650
as well so not only can you r about

867
00:37:09,180 --> 00:37:07,510
things for people vote up and down for

868
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:09,190
what you've rebutted to which other

869
00:37:13,260 --> 00:37:10,570
guess would be like a reddit sort of

870
00:37:15,150 --> 00:37:13,270
system that brings me to a lifestyle

871
00:37:16,590 --> 00:37:15,160
question about yourself dr. H E and a

872
00:37:18,240 --> 00:37:16,600
lot of other people must must wonder

873
00:37:20,430 --> 00:37:18,250
this about you as well how does it bring

874
00:37:22,470 --> 00:37:20,440
you to a lifestyle quit tennis every

875
00:37:24,990 --> 00:37:22,480
time I read a post from you or I meet

876
00:37:27,150 --> 00:37:25,000
you or we see you drunk at the bar when

877
00:37:29,070 --> 00:37:27,160
I am you're always talking about arguing

878
00:37:30,660 --> 00:37:29,080
with someone on the internet it's always

879
00:37:32,730 --> 00:37:30,670
someone different then you go through

880
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:32,740
your day with with that much combative

881
00:37:36,930 --> 00:37:34,330
behavior you're usually arguing with

882
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:36,940
someone well I'm only doing that online

883
00:37:42,690 --> 00:37:39,130
in real life I'm not like that

884
00:37:44,190 --> 00:37:42,700
I don't know do I always there's always

885
00:37:45,690 --> 00:37:44,200
something going on with someone there's

886
00:37:47,190 --> 00:37:45,700
always someone wrong on the internet and

887
00:37:48,810 --> 00:37:47,200
don't do a cheese fixing it up I mean

888
00:37:53,550 --> 00:37:48,820
there is always you know there's that

889
00:37:55,380 --> 00:37:53,560
famous is the phd comics or XKCD

890
00:37:58,080 --> 00:37:55,390
someone's wrong on the internet are you

891
00:37:59,340 --> 00:37:58,090
coming to bed yeah that I mean I had a

892
00:38:01,230 --> 00:37:59,350
friend of mine the other day and make a

893
00:38:02,730 --> 00:38:01,240
post about it's time to change the

894
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:02,740
password on the internet because there

895
00:38:07,050 --> 00:38:04,810
are too many idiots using it I think

896
00:38:08,610 --> 00:38:07,060
we've got to that stage now there seems

897
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:08,620
to be an explosion of idiots on the

898
00:38:12,390 --> 00:38:10,930
internet oh look I've really stepped it

899
00:38:15,060 --> 00:38:12,400
up a notch I mean you know I'm a no

900
00:38:17,430 --> 00:38:15,070
agenda list now yes yeah well I've just

901
00:38:19,410 --> 00:38:17,440
started listening to red ice radio which

902
00:38:21,870 --> 00:38:19,420
is like which makes the witch that makes

903
00:38:24,780 --> 00:38:21,880
them look like really that you know that

904
00:38:26,940 --> 00:38:24,790
the conservapedia and also got onto the

905
00:38:29,310 --> 00:38:26,950
higher side chats as well not the

906
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:29,320
fireside chats but the higher side chest

907
00:38:33,540 --> 00:38:31,930
and between those two podcasts they are

908
00:38:34,740 --> 00:38:33,550
just bringing the stuff i mean i'm at

909
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:34,750
the we goin all the way back to the

910
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:37,330
fluoride conspiracy now so you walk once

911
00:38:42,420 --> 00:38:39,610
one degree of separation from alex jones

912
00:38:44,310 --> 00:38:42,430
now i would say probably one degree from

913
00:38:46,710 --> 00:38:44,320
Alex great thing is you don't have to

914
00:38:48,570 --> 00:38:46,720
put up at all those ads for gold of that

915
00:38:50,310 --> 00:38:48,580
alex has on his show and another and

916
00:38:52,260 --> 00:38:50,320
another Peppa suppliers that he has on

917
00:38:54,030 --> 00:38:52,270
issue he does have a lot of ads to see I

918
00:38:55,500 --> 00:38:54,040
only watched a show a few times I

919
00:38:58,020 --> 00:38:55,510
watched it when he had Mike Adams

920
00:39:01,440 --> 00:38:58,030
posting and he was interviewing andrew

921
00:39:04,590 --> 00:39:01,450
wakefield that was pretty bad yeah yeah

922
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:04,600
but you can see also busy getting on the

923
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:06,010
side of righteousness that I've got to

924
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:07,090
go out there and listen to this stuff

925
00:39:11,940 --> 00:39:08,970
which I kind of enjoy I'm going hang on

926
00:39:14,820 --> 00:39:11,950
fluoride manuring you up and you go main

927
00:39:17,460 --> 00:39:14,830
are gonna punch him I don't think I said

928
00:39:19,860 --> 00:39:17,470
I was gonna punch you I try to be nice

929
00:39:22,470 --> 00:39:19,870
about it so you ever ever go on the

930
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:22,480
internet and not have an argument yes I

931
00:39:25,770 --> 00:39:24,010
posted them something on Facebook

932
00:39:29,130 --> 00:39:25,780
tonight about how bad the traffic was in

933
00:39:31,110 --> 00:39:29,140
Sydney no yume just waiting to study I'm

934
00:39:32,910 --> 00:39:31,120
gonna run around and ask people the

935
00:39:35,250 --> 00:39:32,920
question of the night is if you have a

936
00:39:36,540 --> 00:39:35,260
kid Easter just gone by do you think you

937
00:39:37,950 --> 00:39:36,550
should tell them about the Easter Bunny

938
00:39:39,420 --> 00:39:37,960
or is that just loading them up with

939
00:39:40,329 --> 00:39:39,430
another myth they don't need the Easter

940
00:39:41,769 --> 00:39:40,339
Bunny you think

941
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:41,779
kids should be brought into that or not

942
00:39:44,859 --> 00:39:43,249
look man and I don't really have an

943
00:39:47,769 --> 00:39:44,869
opinion on that I don't have children so

944
00:39:49,509 --> 00:39:47,779
I don't not qualified to make have an

945
00:39:52,029 --> 00:39:49,519
opinion on that but you're just

946
00:39:53,529 --> 00:39:52,039
interested in the chocolate yes if for

947
00:39:55,059 --> 00:39:53,539
some reason these two bunny prevented

948
00:39:56,890 --> 00:39:55,069
you getting the chocolate you'd be all

949
00:40:00,099 --> 00:39:56,900
over that issue well you see in my house

950
00:40:02,620 --> 00:40:00,109
we have one of those giant microbes we

951
00:40:04,509 --> 00:40:02,630
have a measles try it my phone oh yeah

952
00:40:07,599 --> 00:40:04,519
and in our house he wasn't Easter

953
00:40:09,549 --> 00:40:07,609
measles so he brought the chocolate Oh a

954
00:40:12,099 --> 00:40:09,559
giant virus brought the chocolate this

955
00:40:14,170 --> 00:40:12,109
year if anybody ever had a real live

956
00:40:15,670 --> 00:40:14,180
chocolate fountain in their living room

957
00:40:17,049 --> 00:40:15,680
that would be dr. ray she should just

958
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:17,059
wake up in the morning and put a head

959
00:40:27,009 --> 00:40:23,450
under it sonos require telling you may

960
00:40:29,319 --> 00:40:27,019
notice I'm him here with the power elite

961
00:40:31,089 --> 00:40:29,329
group within the skeptics we've got Tim

962
00:40:33,339 --> 00:40:31,099
in Iran how are you very good thank you

963
00:40:35,289 --> 00:40:33,349
now that's good to know yeah they look

964
00:40:37,989 --> 00:40:35,299
that tonight the question is should you

965
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:37,999
tell children about the Easter Bunny or

966
00:40:40,779 --> 00:40:39,170
are you just loading them up with

967
00:40:44,049 --> 00:40:40,789
another myth they don't need Tim you

968
00:40:46,749 --> 00:40:44,059
first what's wrong with the extra money

969
00:40:48,279 --> 00:40:46,759
what about the Easter Bunny will do you

970
00:40:50,349 --> 00:40:48,289
think it's a bad thing or a good thing

971
00:40:51,910 --> 00:40:50,359
to tell kids about the Easter Bunny I

972
00:40:54,130 --> 00:40:51,920
think it's fun it's a mutual thing I

973
00:40:57,009 --> 00:40:54,140
think it's fun it's a the kids can have

974
00:40:57,969 --> 00:40:57,019
mystery and fantasy and you know like we

975
00:40:59,380 --> 00:40:57,979
all do I don't think there's anything

976
00:41:01,870 --> 00:40:59,390
particular on with it they grow out of

977
00:41:04,930 --> 00:41:01,880
it most of them and they do learn I

978
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:04,940
remember when my son who's now 12 we've

979
00:41:07,839 --> 00:41:06,170
talked about Santa Claus and things

980
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:07,849
because he heard from the other kids as

981
00:41:12,339 --> 00:41:10,130
Santa Claus didn't exist I came up with

982
00:41:14,380 --> 00:41:12,349
a brilliant suggestion that Santa can

983
00:41:17,289 --> 00:41:14,390
only give presents to kids of a certain

984
00:41:19,900 --> 00:41:17,299
age after that it just gets too many so

985
00:41:21,339 --> 00:41:19,910
it's only up to about age six at Santa

986
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:21,349
gives presents after that it's always

987
00:41:24,519 --> 00:41:23,210
mum and dad he he wore that he thought

988
00:41:26,700 --> 00:41:24,529
that was pretty cool actually understood

989
00:41:29,529 --> 00:41:26,710
they want a little while later he said

990
00:41:32,109 --> 00:41:29,539
Santa doesn't exist does he and I said

991
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:32,119
no he doesn't and it goes was that with

992
00:41:36,219 --> 00:41:33,890
the same for the easter bunny suit and

993
00:41:37,599 --> 00:41:36,229
he cottoned on he got is it's for their

994
00:41:39,670 --> 00:41:37,609
language that we couldn't understand

995
00:41:41,289 --> 00:41:39,680
beforehand the SATA first any extra

996
00:41:42,430 --> 00:41:41,299
money in the Tooth Fairy follow tooth

997
00:41:43,870 --> 00:41:42,440
fairy's probably would be difficult

998
00:41:45,849 --> 00:41:43,880
because the Tooth Fairy supplies money

999
00:41:46,500 --> 00:41:45,859
yeah that's pretty hard to give that one

1000
00:41:51,780 --> 00:41:46,510
up

1001
00:41:53,850 --> 00:41:51,790
Fairy first yeah yeah so do you think

1002
00:41:55,890 --> 00:41:53,860
it's a good thing until kids extra myths

1003
00:41:58,020 --> 00:41:55,900
like the Easter Bunny I think it's okay

1004
00:42:00,150 --> 00:41:58,030
I mean I think it's all a matter of

1005
00:42:01,980 --> 00:42:00,160
context I mean you can you can tell them

1006
00:42:04,170 --> 00:42:01,990
this story your eyes signs are these

1007
00:42:06,060 --> 00:42:04,180
sevani and all that I think you have to

1008
00:42:10,590 --> 00:42:06,070
be very careful I I generally prefer not

1009
00:42:12,620 --> 00:42:10,600
to lie to my kids so there are ways of

1010
00:42:15,900 --> 00:42:12,630
telling a story as if it's a story and

1011
00:42:18,210 --> 00:42:15,910
and just allow them to because it's all

1012
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:18,220
in the in the environment I mean if I

1013
00:42:20,940 --> 00:42:20,050
told them now something that is not part

1014
00:42:22,620 --> 00:42:20,950
of their environment they probably

1015
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:22,630
wouldn't they would think it's all weird

1016
00:42:26,370 --> 00:42:24,970
but if you tell them about the Easter

1017
00:42:28,500 --> 00:42:26,380
Bunny in Australia then they pick it up

1018
00:42:30,900 --> 00:42:28,510
from their environment anyway or about

1019
00:42:33,240 --> 00:42:30,910
Santa so you don't actually have to tell

1020
00:42:34,830 --> 00:42:33,250
them it's true and santa is coming and

1021
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:34,840
all that you can tell it to see if it's

1022
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:36,970
a story and if they buy into it then

1023
00:42:41,730 --> 00:42:40,450
that's fine the you know the books they

1024
00:42:43,230 --> 00:42:41,740
read at the early age you know they'd

1025
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:43,240
actually buy the characters in the books

1026
00:42:46,740 --> 00:42:44,530
as well until they realize that their

1027
00:42:48,030 --> 00:42:46,750
characters are not real I think the

1028
00:42:50,220 --> 00:42:48,040
important thing from the important thing

1029
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:50,230
from my perspective is when they ask

1030
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:53,770
questions don't lie see if they ask is

1031
00:42:57,990 --> 00:42:56,410
Santa real you know there's also there's

1032
00:42:59,670 --> 00:42:58,000
ways of actually not bursting the bubble

1033
00:43:02,490 --> 00:42:59,680
while not lying so for example you could

1034
00:43:03,690 --> 00:43:02,500
say what do you think oh no and things

1035
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:03,700
like that and you know just you can

1036
00:43:08,730 --> 00:43:05,650
develop the you can develop a discussion

1037
00:43:10,290 --> 00:43:08,740
around it but I don't think there's

1038
00:43:13,380 --> 00:43:10,300
anything wrong with having a bit of

1039
00:43:15,390 --> 00:43:13,390
fantasy in kids lives if they're if

1040
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:15,400
they're 14 and they still think Santa

1041
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:18,330
brings them president presents

1042
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:19,890
mixing he praised the presidency he

1043
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:24,330
brings them presents I think the fact

1044
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:25,770
that they believe in Santa is the least

1045
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:28,890
of your problems at the very first

1046
00:43:33,470 --> 00:43:30,570
cactus convention now one of the vapors

1047
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:33,480
in Melbourne a lady stood up and asked

1048
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:35,610
if we should ban entirely fairy tales

1049
00:43:42,170 --> 00:43:40,130
and I thought and everyone said go away

1050
00:43:43,550 --> 00:43:42,180
everybody you can have a bit of mystery

1051
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:43,560
bit of fantasy in your life it doesn't

1052
00:43:47,950 --> 00:43:45,690
hurt if you base your life around it

1053
00:43:50,030 --> 00:43:47,960
that's where the problem lies i think

1054
00:43:51,590 --> 00:43:50,040
we're talking about propagating the

1055
00:43:54,980 --> 00:43:51,600
Easter Bunny formula here who we got

1056
00:43:56,750 --> 00:43:54,990
here David David so do you think it's a

1057
00:43:58,790 --> 00:43:56,760
nice myth it's a harmless myth I'm

1058
00:44:01,700 --> 00:43:58,800
talking about the Easter Bunny it's a

1059
00:44:03,170 --> 00:44:01,710
harmless myth mmm so I've been but it's

1060
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:03,180
related to chocolate there's a direct

1061
00:44:08,420 --> 00:44:06,690
connection between myth and reward well

1062
00:44:10,430 --> 00:44:08,430
yeah i like i like to give thanks to the

1063
00:44:13,970 --> 00:44:10,440
Mayans who brought us brought us the

1064
00:44:15,380 --> 00:44:13,980
cocoa bean okay yeah okay and they had a

1065
00:44:17,780 --> 00:44:15,390
bit to do with the coca plant to deny

1066
00:44:18,980 --> 00:44:17,790
that part of the world yeah and have you

1067
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:18,990
got an opinion on this do you think we

1068
00:44:24,260 --> 00:44:20,970
should propagate the Easter Bunny myth

1069
00:44:26,540 --> 00:44:24,270
yeah I don't see why not I'm I was

1070
00:44:28,250 --> 00:44:26,550
brought up with it so I don't see why

1071
00:44:30,860 --> 00:44:28,260
kids shouldn't be brought up with it now

1072
00:44:32,150 --> 00:44:30,870
it's smart do you remember the moment

1073
00:44:33,710 --> 00:44:32,160
that maybe you twigged on the whole

1074
00:44:34,910 --> 00:44:33,720
santa thing and won't hang on a minute

1075
00:44:36,819 --> 00:44:34,920
to remember the moment you think that

1076
00:44:39,279 --> 00:44:36,829
might have been have put on

1077
00:44:40,630 --> 00:44:39,289
no I don't remember that at all some

1078
00:44:41,979 --> 00:44:40,640
people clearly have a moment where they

1079
00:44:45,789 --> 00:44:41,989
go heart and some people it was a

1080
00:44:47,709 --> 00:44:45,799
gradual realization yeah and this is

1081
00:44:49,029 --> 00:44:47,719
your first time you're a almost the

1082
00:44:52,059 --> 00:44:49,039
first time here at skeptics at the pub

1083
00:44:53,979 --> 00:44:52,069
yep David invited me along a couple of

1084
00:44:55,539 --> 00:44:53,989
months ago and this is my second time so

1085
00:45:00,009 --> 00:44:55,549
yes but what has brought you to the

1086
00:45:01,630 --> 00:45:00,019
skeptics David yeah and what your

1087
00:45:05,099 --> 00:45:01,640
interest everio is an area that really

1088
00:45:09,339 --> 00:45:05,109
gets your goat you're skeptical goat

1089
00:45:11,949 --> 00:45:09,349
yeah I I don't believe in our psychic so

1090
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:11,959
I'm more scientific scientifically

1091
00:45:17,589 --> 00:45:15,410
minded I guess that's about it okay oh

1092
00:45:21,009 --> 00:45:17,599
you'll find plenty of a kindred spirits

1093
00:45:22,299 --> 00:45:21,019
here tonight yeah be chattin it I'm here

1094
00:45:23,979 --> 00:45:22,309
to hit a bunch arrow died people that

1095
00:45:25,779 --> 00:45:23,989
are talking about bloody grammar again

1096
00:45:27,069 --> 00:45:25,789
this always goes on to skip what are you

1097
00:45:29,739 --> 00:45:27,079
talking about are you talking about the

1098
00:45:32,289 --> 00:45:29,749
use of the apostrophe with a zoom is no

1099
00:45:33,579 --> 00:45:32,299
not home is not needed whom is gone it's

1100
00:45:35,709 --> 00:45:33,589
not a word that we use anymore you go

1101
00:45:37,420 --> 00:45:35,719
hoos you don't say whom it's gone all

1102
00:45:40,059 --> 00:45:37,430
right it's over unfeeling editor I do

1103
00:45:42,459 --> 00:45:40,069
yeah most only that whom is I've been

1104
00:45:44,670 --> 00:45:42,469
corrected whom so many time may not just

1105
00:45:47,319 --> 00:45:44,680
super caps lock at the moment I know

1106
00:45:49,180 --> 00:45:47,329
their mother look I'm here to should we

1107
00:45:51,819 --> 00:45:49,190
propagate apart from getting rid of whom

1108
00:45:53,079 --> 00:45:51,829
we don't need that word anymore the myth

1109
00:45:54,969 --> 00:45:53,089
of the Easter Bunny should it be

1110
00:45:57,339 --> 00:45:54,979
propagated and I just wish I knew up

1111
00:45:59,440 --> 00:45:57,349
propagated now i'll leave it to GMO

1112
00:46:01,570 --> 00:45:59,450
easter bunny yeah

1113
00:46:04,270 --> 00:46:01,580
and would you tell your kids about the

1114
00:46:05,950 --> 00:46:04,280
Easter Bunny I don't know that might

1115
00:46:09,100 --> 00:46:05,960
come in come to conflict with my Jewish

1116
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:09,110
cultural traditions all right okay they

1117
00:46:14,740 --> 00:46:11,450
have to be they have to be kosher for

1118
00:46:19,300 --> 00:46:14,750
Passover is the bunny easter egg via the

1119
00:46:21,910 --> 00:46:19,310
rabbits not a kosher animals I know it

1120
00:46:25,060 --> 00:46:21,920
would be doesn't have cloven hooves no

1121
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:25,070
no I probably not okay well Easter Bunny

1122
00:46:28,810 --> 00:46:26,570
out there now what about you you've got

1123
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:28,820
strong beliefs about various myths Jesus

1124
00:46:31,930 --> 00:46:30,050
being one of them what about the Easter

1125
00:46:33,940 --> 00:46:31,940
Bunny well I'll be teaching my children

1126
00:46:35,260 --> 00:46:33,950
about chocolate and if that happens to

1127
00:46:37,060 --> 00:46:35,270
involve a rabbit of some description

1128
00:46:38,410 --> 00:46:37,070
then so be it well I think it's not a

1129
00:46:40,090 --> 00:46:38,420
bad thing I lamenting all the biggest

1130
00:46:41,380 --> 00:46:40,100
the myth and the reward are very close

1131
00:46:43,510 --> 00:46:41,390
together you see the rabbit you get the

1132
00:46:45,070 --> 00:46:43,520
chocolate and that's good I have a

1133
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:45,080
suspicion my choice or might be so dense

1134
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:46,970
as to believe the story that I'm telling

1135
00:46:50,740 --> 00:46:48,290
him but they'll understand that if they

1136
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:50,750
go with me they'll get chocolate which

1137
00:46:54,550 --> 00:46:52,130
is the main you know the main thing

1138
00:46:55,870 --> 00:46:54,560
they'll give me you you yes that's all

1139
00:46:57,190 --> 00:46:55,880
I'm asking for that's all I ask of

1140
00:46:58,930 --> 00:46:57,200
anyone and so it's the least I could

1141
00:47:01,150 --> 00:46:58,940
expect for my children and who we got

1142
00:47:02,530 --> 00:47:01,160
here this evening like look now how do

1143
00:47:04,930 --> 00:47:02,540
you feel about propagating the whole

1144
00:47:07,420 --> 00:47:04,940
Easter Bunny thing I think as long as

1145
00:47:09,910 --> 00:47:07,430
you make sure that you say that the

1146
00:47:11,730 --> 00:47:09,920
bunny lays the chocolate eggs and you

1147
00:47:13,510 --> 00:47:11,740
try and stick that that is the way it is

1148
00:47:15,910 --> 00:47:13,520
eventually they might start asking

1149
00:47:18,010 --> 00:47:15,920
questions yeah because where is this

1150
00:47:20,470 --> 00:47:18,020
chocolate egg gland in the a in there in

1151
00:47:23,830 --> 00:47:20,480
America oh yeah that's that total eggs

1152
00:47:25,210 --> 00:47:23,840
yeah Wow ok and so Jim did you have a

1153
00:47:26,650 --> 00:47:25,220
bit of an Easter egg hunt or anything of

1154
00:47:29,110 --> 00:47:26,660
the Easter to do get into this myth

1155
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:29,120
yourself not this a stir but I normally

1156
00:47:34,150 --> 00:47:31,610
will get my younger cousins going on

1157
00:47:36,700 --> 00:47:34,160
when we're all together and yeah but if

1158
00:47:38,530 --> 00:47:36,710
the rule is that the the bunny hat to

1159
00:47:39,940 --> 00:47:38,540
lay the egg and the 12 year old started

1160
00:47:42,609 --> 00:47:39,950
asking questions

1161
00:47:46,420 --> 00:47:42,619
very deprived because you know I grew up

1162
00:47:48,250 --> 00:47:46,430
without Easter eggs and you know we were

1163
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:48,260
resigned to you know two weeks of

1164
00:47:52,510 --> 00:47:51,290
unleavened bread and what the orishas

1165
00:47:54,730 --> 00:47:52,520
like suck on a piece of wood or

1166
00:47:55,839 --> 00:47:54,740
something what happened hi what you do

1167
00:47:58,960 --> 00:47:55,849
it is to suck on a bit of wood or

1168
00:48:01,300 --> 00:47:58,970
something what man we've got Passover

1169
00:48:04,060 --> 00:48:01,310
and Easter so here we go it's crossing

1170
00:48:06,970 --> 00:48:04,070
of the sea don't yeah yeah in your

1171
00:48:08,230 --> 00:48:06,980
backyard yeah exactly that's it actually

1172
00:48:10,210 --> 00:48:08,240
what is your favorite Jewish holiday

1173
00:48:13,240 --> 00:48:10,220
there must be a good one gonna be poor

1174
00:48:15,099 --> 00:48:13,250
him there's a got gifts involving no no

1175
00:48:16,540 --> 00:48:15,109
very few very few about Jewish holidays

1176
00:48:18,910 --> 00:48:16,550
have gifts involved they all have food

1177
00:48:21,220 --> 00:48:18,920
vast amounts of food but creams the best

1178
00:48:23,620 --> 00:48:21,230
because for him you get you get you get

1179
00:48:25,420 --> 00:48:23,630
to dress up and get righteously drunk

1180
00:48:26,770 --> 00:48:25,430
getting righteously drunk is encouraged

1181
00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:26,780
on forever what's it so you can you

1182
00:48:31,240 --> 00:48:28,130
dress up as Darth Vader or something yes

1183
00:48:32,770 --> 00:48:31,250
anything you want and frequently I've

1184
00:48:35,020 --> 00:48:32,780
noticed a lot of the rabbi's love to

1185
00:48:36,700 --> 00:48:35,030
crossdress on Purim well that's

1186
00:48:42,099 --> 00:48:36,710
retelling isn't it it's a bit like The

1187
00:48:43,630 --> 00:48:42,109
Footy Show look at ya so what do you how

1188
00:48:45,339 --> 00:48:43,640
do you feel about telling kids about the

1189
00:48:46,870 --> 00:48:45,349
Easter Bunny is it an extra myth they

1190
00:48:48,220 --> 00:48:46,880
need or not I don't think it's a myth

1191
00:48:51,609 --> 00:48:48,230
that they need I think they should need

1192
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:51,619
reality ok and so you would never never

1193
00:48:56,630 --> 00:48:54,410
never never tried that one than all

1194
00:49:01,220 --> 00:48:56,640
possibly when they're little really

1195
00:49:03,110 --> 00:49:01,230
little it might be a nice fantasy to

1196
00:49:04,820 --> 00:49:03,120
keep going but I think once a child gets

1197
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:04,830
around about three or four that it's

1198
00:49:10,310 --> 00:49:07,050
time to kill off the bunny rabbit with

1199
00:49:14,990 --> 00:49:10,320
some myxomatosis that's science what

1200
00:49:16,700 --> 00:49:15,000
about you my personal opinion is to take

1201
00:49:18,140 --> 00:49:16,710
no stand either way let the kids make up

1202
00:49:19,670 --> 00:49:18,150
their own minds also your Easter Bunny

1203
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:19,680
agnostic would that be the quick way to

1204
00:49:23,660 --> 00:49:22,050
know I've just let the kids make up I

1205
00:49:25,700 --> 00:49:23,670
personally don't think there's an Easter

1206
00:49:27,470 --> 00:49:25,710
Bunny I'm not an agnostic my go see when

1207
00:49:29,750 --> 00:49:27,480
it comes to Easter Bunny but you know

1208
00:49:31,490 --> 00:49:29,760
the Easter Bunny and Santa Claus if

1209
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:31,500
people if the kids believe what their

1210
00:49:35,390 --> 00:49:33,210
friends tell them let them until they

1211
00:49:37,490 --> 00:49:35,400
kind of develop their own critical

1212
00:49:39,590 --> 00:49:37,500
thinking skills for themselves do you

1213
00:49:40,970 --> 00:49:39,600
remember the moment when you cottoned on

1214
00:49:43,460 --> 00:49:40,980
to the whole easter bunny sad a thing a

1215
00:49:44,930 --> 00:49:43,470
man hang on a minute well my family

1216
00:49:46,130 --> 00:49:44,940
never sort of perpetrated Easter Bunny

1217
00:49:47,450 --> 00:49:46,140
thing I never thought that was real

1218
00:49:50,210 --> 00:49:47,460
because it didn't really make any sense

1219
00:49:55,220 --> 00:49:50,220
but Santa I thought was real up into the

1220
00:49:58,730 --> 00:49:55,230
age of about I think it was six or seven

1221
00:49:59,840 --> 00:49:58,740
when I i just i was looking at my

1222
00:50:01,520 --> 00:49:59,850
grandparents cupboard where we had

1223
00:50:02,570 --> 00:50:01,530
Christmas with my grandparents place I

1224
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:02,580
looked in the cupboard and I found a

1225
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:04,770
book and it was about the sinking of the

1226
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:07,170
carnival and I read it a bit then I put

1227
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:09,450
it back and then the next morning I got

1228
00:50:13,730 --> 00:50:11,810
that in my Santa stocking I thought what

1229
00:50:15,980 --> 00:50:13,740
deficit it definitely didn't give that

1230
00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:15,990
to me okay you busted the whole thing

1231
00:50:22,710 --> 00:50:18,130
did you ask a question

1232
00:50:24,359 --> 00:50:22,720
um no I think I think I told my cousins

1233
00:50:25,890 --> 00:50:24,369
about it but I otherwise I kept it to

1234
00:50:27,569 --> 00:50:25,900
myself I didn't I didn't let my parents

1235
00:50:28,980 --> 00:50:27,579
know that I didn't know because if my

1236
00:50:30,240 --> 00:50:28,990
parents knew I didn't know about Santa I

1237
00:50:31,950 --> 00:50:30,250
would stop getting mad presence in my

1238
00:50:33,180 --> 00:50:31,960
stocking that's right it's a good

1239
00:50:35,249 --> 00:50:33,190
connection between the myth and the

1240
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:35,259
reward like the Easter Bunny and the

1241
00:50:38,069 --> 00:50:36,490
chocolate how do you feel about the

1242
00:50:41,910 --> 00:50:38,079
whole Easter Bunny propagation with

1243
00:50:44,069 --> 00:50:41,920
issue well because they get so many

1244
00:50:47,220 --> 00:50:44,079
messages through society and their

1245
00:50:50,430 --> 00:50:47,230
friends relatives that it does exist and

1246
00:50:52,380 --> 00:50:50,440
any opportunity I would get not you know

1247
00:50:55,789 --> 00:50:52,390
they are children and they have to be

1248
00:50:58,680 --> 00:50:55,799
you know respected and well treated but

1249
00:51:00,749 --> 00:50:58,690
yeah i would but they're all they're

1250
00:51:03,630 --> 00:51:00,759
also really Chloe so they pick up on you

1251
00:51:06,749 --> 00:51:03,640
know subtle messages and my messages

1252
00:51:09,569 --> 00:51:06,759
would firmly be that it doesn't exist

1253
00:51:13,289 --> 00:51:09,579
and again as an offset to you have the

1254
00:51:15,839 --> 00:51:13,299
messages that cannot be more heavily in

1255
00:51:21,049 --> 00:51:15,849
that mind but that wouldn't stop you

1256
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:21,059
from eating the chocolate well actually

1257
00:51:28,559 --> 00:51:25,450
yeah quality of the chocolate and Easter

1258
00:51:31,829 --> 00:51:28,569
bunnies tends to be pretty recital so

1259
00:51:34,079 --> 00:51:31,839
bad so so yeah so I'm sorry there I

1260
00:51:36,630 --> 00:51:34,089
can't you know even support eating the

1261
00:51:38,130 --> 00:51:36,640
chocolate and with late breaking news to

1262
00:51:39,630 --> 00:51:38,140
I only recently found out that the

1263
00:51:41,789 --> 00:51:39,640
Easter bilby was an initiative of

1264
00:51:44,579 --> 00:51:41,799
Darrell Lea and now there's no Darrell

1265
00:51:46,620 --> 00:51:44,589
Lea Easter bilbies gone I didn't know

1266
00:51:48,539 --> 00:51:46,630
was a dare Alethea actually that's not

1267
00:51:50,549 --> 00:51:48,549
actually the case I guess I'm just

1268
00:51:54,220 --> 00:51:50,559
making stuff up because they were they

1269
00:51:56,470 --> 00:51:54,230
were a sponsor of it and so it's a

1270
00:51:59,200 --> 00:51:56,480
but they're now no longer a sponsor and

1271
00:52:02,500 --> 00:51:59,210
other sponsors are being sourced but it

1272
00:52:04,450 --> 00:52:02,510
wasn't originally their idea and it's

1273
00:52:06,580 --> 00:52:04,460
actually quite a worthy cause because

1274
00:52:08,530 --> 00:52:06,590
the bill bees are under such threat so

1275
00:52:12,310 --> 00:52:08,540
so is there any booby to do I couldn't

1276
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:12,320
find any booby chocolate this year right

1277
00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:14,450
yeah apparently things haven't gone that

1278
00:52:19,420 --> 00:52:18,290
well and yeah so yeah well extinct for

1279
00:52:22,380 --> 00:52:19,430
the time being but it might come back

1280
00:52:25,060 --> 00:52:22,390
like the carrier pigeon you never know

1281
00:52:27,250 --> 00:52:25,070
and he would Jessica Jessica how do you

1282
00:52:30,940 --> 00:52:27,260
where do you stand visa V the Easter

1283
00:52:32,380 --> 00:52:30,950
Bunny issue chocolate I know we were

1284
00:52:34,060 --> 00:52:32,390
talking ben myth in the reward very

1285
00:52:35,380 --> 00:52:34,070
close together you don't have to wait

1286
00:52:37,420 --> 00:52:35,390
for an afterlife or anything like that

1287
00:52:39,190 --> 00:52:37,430
there's no priest to intercede with you

1288
00:52:40,930 --> 00:52:39,200
it's just you and the bunny it's phillip

1289
00:52:42,250 --> 00:52:40,940
play and the chopper top fairly direct

1290
00:52:43,420 --> 00:52:42,260
that what do you reckon thinks kids

1291
00:52:46,450 --> 00:52:43,430
should be told about or they didn't need

1292
00:52:47,980 --> 00:52:46,460
that oh look it's harmless i think i

1293
00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:47,990
think it's just smart enough to work it

1294
00:52:55,030 --> 00:52:51,650
out it's it's like the Tooth Fairy and

1295
00:52:57,280 --> 00:52:55,040
Santa Claus really what's fun arm it's a

1296
00:52:58,870 --> 00:52:57,290
bit of fun okay and you got an opinion

1297
00:53:00,640 --> 00:52:58,880
on the Easter Bunny myth would you tell

1298
00:53:04,390 --> 00:53:00,650
kids about the Easter Bunny propagate

1299
00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:04,400
the whole thing I would tell them about

1300
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:07,130
the Easter Bunny but also about the what

1301
00:53:13,180 --> 00:53:09,410
was the name of the creature that became

1302
00:53:15,340 --> 00:53:13,190
recording oh hang on this the goddess

1303
00:53:16,599 --> 00:53:15,350
Ishtar is where the name Easter comes

1304
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:16,609
from and I think she should be

1305
00:53:21,010 --> 00:53:18,410
celebrated look she goes back before

1306
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:21,020
Christian time I'm up for anything pagan

1307
00:53:24,220 --> 00:53:22,970
now yay exactly oh hang on Jessica do

1308
00:53:26,170 --> 00:53:24,230
you hear the word peg and you want to do

1309
00:53:27,790 --> 00:53:26,180
it actually not too much pagan but as an

1310
00:53:30,370 --> 00:53:27,800
Aussie I think we should propagate the

1311
00:53:31,900 --> 00:53:30,380
Easter bill be not the Easter Bunny and

1312
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:31,910
we talked about that earlier it was a

1313
00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:33,290
bit of a licensing thing with Darrell

1314
00:53:36,660 --> 00:53:34,850
Lea and now they aren't licensed with

1315
00:53:39,340 --> 00:53:36,670
anyone so there's no bilbies this year

1316
00:53:41,140 --> 00:53:39,350
is any more like a while I reckon you do

1317
00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:41,150
a bill be you do a bunny and you're

1318
00:53:46,570 --> 00:53:43,490
doing Easter okay and let the kids make

1319
00:53:49,390 --> 00:53:46,580
up your own so you get them a big long

1320
00:53:50,650 --> 00:53:49,400
talk about paganism the intersection of

1321
00:53:52,670 --> 00:53:50,660
religion then just give them the

1322
00:53:55,260 --> 00:53:52,680
chocolate

1323
00:53:57,480 --> 00:53:55,270
so that's a wrap from skeptics in the

1324
00:54:01,650 --> 00:53:57,490
pub to come along the first thursday of

1325
00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:01,660
every month at the mesbah upstairs there

1326
00:54:04,380 --> 00:54:03,130
in the coronation hotel and make sure

1327
00:54:05,940 --> 00:54:04,390
you come a bit early about six o'clock

1328
00:54:07,230 --> 00:54:05,950
so i can get a set at the front you

1329
00:54:09,660 --> 00:54:07,240
don't end up being at the back like me

1330
00:54:12,029 --> 00:54:09,670
thinking that every talk is about soap

1331
00:54:36,450 --> 00:54:12,039
money that's a good thing ha dr. Rachel

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thank you for listening to the skeptic

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zone that was a nice breakfast potatoes

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I had to smoke salmon some scrambled

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eggs some nice crusty bread mmm life is

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good in Norway coming up on next week's

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show some more bits and pieces from here

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in Oslo some adventures I'm are just

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about to have including I think the

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viking museum that should be great and

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probably some reports from Dublin

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chatting to some Irish skeptics but I

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certainly want to thank the local

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skeptics here for for flying me over

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from Germany where I was staying for a

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few days so thank you very much too

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Marit Simonson and Kristen Carlson and

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all all the wonderful Norwegian skeptics

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yes folks I can recommend a visit to

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Oslo it's fantastic but for now this is

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Richard Saunders signing off all before

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I do that don't forget to keep listening

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keep listening till after the theme

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music ends to hear that song tesseracts

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this is Richard Saunders signing off

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from Oslo Norway you've been listening

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to the skeptic zone visit our website at

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00:56:24,660 --> 00:55:54,290
www skeptics on TV for comments contacts

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aliens built pyramids

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they say there's cotton buried deep down

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under the sea invisible beings will slip

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through your walls and grab you and

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tesseracts and arose and stone will

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crumble to dust while the tempo is so

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millions and does her accent

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that a stowaway dong something

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they say

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50 paces there is a luminous closer

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rounding our body's changing colors with

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our moods

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30 window Tessa Rex and the rosetta

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stone will crumble to dust while it's a

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boy so millions and Tessa Rex and there

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don't wait longer have something else

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they say

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Crystal's focus energy

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you

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they say a gifted person can't even

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raise the dead you can live

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out of your body from a deeper up trance

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and travel through the universe getting

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charred marks of tortilla tesseracts and

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rosetta stone where crumble to dust

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while it's a ploy so millions and two

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strikes and the Rosetta Stone I can't

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believe with something else

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but where is home